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		<title>Jensend: add a small dose of derision</title>
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		<updated>2012-03-01T22:55:00Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;add a small dose of derision&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Test results are convincing only when they have been shown to be &amp;#039;&amp;#039;reproducible&amp;#039;&amp;#039;. A single blind test, while a useful data point, doesn&amp;#039;t constitute convincing evidence. Even a single listener&amp;#039;s responses to perceptual tests will vary from moment to moment, so a single result could be &amp;quot;due to chance&amp;quot; rather than showing a real quality difference. Statistical methods-- both frequentist and Bayesian-- can help us recognize convincing evidence when we combine the results of multiple observations.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Test results are convincing only when they have been shown to be &amp;#039;&amp;#039;reproducible&amp;#039;&amp;#039;. A single blind test, while a useful data point, doesn&amp;#039;t constitute convincing evidence. Even a single listener&amp;#039;s responses to perceptual tests will vary from moment to moment, so a single result could be &amp;quot;due to chance&amp;quot; rather than showing a real quality difference. Statistical methods-- both frequentist and Bayesian-- can help us recognize convincing evidence when we combine the results of multiple observations.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Without agreement to subject all quality claims to scientifically reproducible testing, conversation about audio rapidly devolves into shouting matches about pre-existing opinions and biases, detailed &quot;analyses&quot; of differences in the waveform that are entirely irrelevant to human perception, and attempts to browbeat others into submission by the sheer repetition of impressive-sounding mumbo-jumbo &quot;terms of art&quot; which are completely subjective and therefore communicate nothing.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Jensend</name></author>
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		<title>Jensend: Start the article</title>
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		<updated>2012-03-01T22:39:34Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Start the article&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Claims about audio quality can ultimately only be justified by scientifically reproducible perceptual tests. Agreement on that fact is what makes hydrogenaudio-- and &amp;#039;&amp;#039;any&amp;#039;&amp;#039; reasoned discussion about audio-- possible. This principle has been enshrined in the eighth article of [http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3974 hydrogenaudio&amp;#039;s Terms of Service]:&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;All members that put forth a statement concerning subjective sound quality, must -- to the best of their ability -- provide objective support for their claims. Acceptable means of support are [[Blind test|double blind listening tests]] ([[ABX]] or [[ABC/HR]]) demonstrating that the member can discern a difference perceptually, together with a test sample to allow others to reproduce their findings. Graphs, non-blind listening tests, waveform difference comparisons, and so on, are not acceptable means of providing support.&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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A test of audio quality is &amp;#039;&amp;#039;scientific&amp;#039;&amp;#039; only if it is [[Blind test|blind]]. This eliminates the effects of pre-existing opinions, the placebo effect, and other psychological biases so we can consider the audible differences.&lt;br /&gt;
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Test results are convincing only when they have been shown to be &amp;#039;&amp;#039;reproducible&amp;#039;&amp;#039;. A single blind test, while a useful data point, doesn&amp;#039;t constitute convincing evidence. Even a single listener&amp;#039;s responses to perceptual tests will vary from moment to moment, so a single result could be &amp;quot;due to chance&amp;quot; rather than showing a real quality difference. Statistical methods-- both frequentist and Bayesian-- can help us recognize convincing evidence when we combine the results of multiple observations.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Jensend</name></author>
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