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==Formatting discussions==
Alright, I've incorporated the [[:Template:Clickpic|Clickpic template]] which I've taken from [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Clickpic here]. This is so that a wiki visitor, accidentally clicking on an image, will not be brought to the image's metadata page, but somewhere more meaningful.


'''But...''' the inventor of this template warns [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CharlesC/Template_for_navigational_images_on_Mediawiki_websites#Getting_rid_of_extra_whitespace_in_IE here] that IE and Opera may add extra whitespace. This should not be a problem as we are not tiling the images, but if it is a problem, then it is tough because the monobook.css of HAK is protected.
Please those who use IE or Opera check it out. --[[User:Pepoluan|pepoluan]] 21:52, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:This is inaccessable to text-only users and other related problems. A better way is to redirect the image description pages to the right page, which I'm going to do now, again, feel free to revert me. ~[[User:Elliottmobile|Elliottmobile]] <small>'''([[User_talk:Elliottmobile|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Elliottmobile|contribs]])'''</small> 06:31, 17 September 2006 (CDT)
::See [[Image_talk:CategoryIcon Foobar2000.png]] - it's a weird problem I've been getting and I can't seem to fix it. It's on 99% of the images. ~[[User:Elliottmobile|Elliottmobile]] <small>'''([[User_talk:Elliottmobile|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Elliottmobile|contribs]])'''</small> 06:38, 17 September 2006 (CDT)
:::OH! I just had to clear my cache. :) ~[[User:Elliottmobile|Elliottmobile]] <small>'''([[User_talk:Elliottmobile|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Elliottmobile|contribs]])'''</small> 06:46, 17 September 2006 (CDT)
::So, why you use <code><nowiki>{{clickpic}}</nowiki></code> again, Elliott? --[[User:Pepoluan|pepoluan]] <small>'''([[User_talk:pepoluan|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/pepoluan|contribs]])'''</small> 13:39, 27 September 2006 (CDT)
:::The wiki logo is less important as a clicking tool and is just an added extra, unlike the images for navigation which is a common mistake. The wiki logo may not link properly in some situations, that's less important, IMO. {{User:Elliottmobile/sig2}} 02:15, 28 September 2006 (CDT)
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Nice Main Page now, something we can all be proud of... but what's with the TOC, it's now shoved to the right... I '''vote for putting <nowiki>__NOTOC__</nowiki>''' in the Main Page. --[[User:Pepoluan|pepoluan]] 09:32, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:I actually did that intentionally, but I suppose it's alright if you remove it :P.
Another whine: I like the yellowish color better... the page seems to cold when the category table is in that pale blue color... {{smiley|(}} --[[User:Pepoluan|pepoluan]] 13:59, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:Maybe a warmer blue? The yellow seemed too... "rotten" for me.
I would be a little more radical. I would move everything below introduction and user guides to the [[Topic Index]] page. To me this information is just polluting the page. As for the color I have no preference.--[[User:Beto|Beto]] <small>'''([[User_talk:Beto|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Beto|contribs]])'''</small> 16:34, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:Good idea... <small>('''[[Special:Contributions/Elliottmobile|sbirtnoc]] | [[User talk:Elliottmobile|klat]]''')</small> [[User:Elliottmobile|elibomttoillE]] 16:36, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
::I just cleaned the front page and moved all topics below the categories table to the [[Topic Index]]. To me it looks cleaner and better.--[[User:Beto|Beto]] <small>'''([[User_talk:Beto|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Beto|contribs]])'''</small> 10:14, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:::I'm not sure, when a user goes to the main page they want to be able to easily get to what they want... but I suppose. <small>('''[[Special:Contributions/Elliottmobile|sbirtnoc]] | [[User talk:Elliottmobile|klat]]''')</small> [[User:Elliottmobile|elibomttoillE]] 10:26, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:::: I'll think about something. I am thinking about putting a table with links to the most popular articles in the wiki. Probably it will be something manual at first, but we can automate this in the future.--[[User:Beto|Beto]] <small>'''([[User_talk:Beto|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Beto|contribs]])'''</small> 16:13, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
::::: hmm, i can do <nowiki>{{special:allpages/6}}</nowiki> for some perfectly formatted pages, but not for [[special:popularpages]]. :( <small>('''[[Special:Contributions/Elliottmobile|sbirtnoc]] | [[User talk:Elliottmobile|klat]]''')</small> [[User:Elliottmobile|elibomttoillE]] 17:07, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::: If we can't automate most popular articles, better not put it there at all, IMO. --[[User:Pepoluan|pepoluan]] <small>'''([[User_talk:pepoluan|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/pepoluan|contribs]])'''</small> 11:58, 20 September 2006 (CDT)
==Categories discussion for the front page==
I suggest the following master categories for the front page. Subcategories can be discussed here:
{| border=1
| Foobar2000 || Foobar2000 Guides and Tutorials<br>Foobar2000 Plugins<br>Foobar2000 Tips and Tricks
|-
| Technical || Codecs<br>Listening Tests<br>Digital Signal Processing<br>Research
|-
| Software || Audio Players<br>Technical and Research
|-
| Hardware || Soundcards<br>Amplifier and Speakers<br>DAC
|-
| Guides || Vinyl Guides<br>EAC Guides
|}
--[[User:Beto|Beto]] 15:19, 4 September 2006 (CDT)
:Hmmm, problem is, Codecs for instance may not have subcategories. And the left column, should it link to the Category description page (e.g. [[:Category:Codec]]) or just a heading text? --[[User:Pepoluan|pepoluan]] 15:40, 4 September 2006 (CDT)
::This table is just to discuss the possible categories and subcategories and should not be on the front page. The table you created in the front page is much better than this one. [[Image:Smiley--).png]] I wasn't thinking about linking it to any page, but this may be a good idea.--[[User:Beto|Beto]] 15:58, 4 September 2006 (CDT)
:: What if we merge Codecs into Technical?? They sure are related.--[[User:Beto|Beto]] 10:29, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:: Merged Codecs into Technical--[[User:Beto|Beto]] 13:20, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:: The 5 main categories are now in the front page. Subcategorization in the main categories pages still has to be done for the most part.--[[User:Beto|Beto]] 14:15, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
==Page Discussion==
I discovered our wiki's [http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Special:Categories categories facility]. What about simplifying this main page to point to the Categories page instead?
--[[User:Pepoluan|pepoluan]] 17:44, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
This is a brilliant idea actually ;-D. I think instead of call them tools just generally stick with software --[[User:HotshotGG|HotshotGG]] 5:34, 2 September 2006 (CDT)
Excellent layout. I would get rid of the sections as well and leave only the table linking to the categories. Much cleaner and readable.--[[User:Beto|Beto]] 18:22, 3 September 2006 (CDT)
Before we continue, I think "'''DSP'''" is not precise... some of the articles are not limited to digital signals. I suggest using "'''Signal Processing'''" instead... but anyways, what's wrong with "'''Technical Stuff'''"? --[[User:Pepoluan|pepoluan]] 07:54, 4 September 2006 (CDT)
: I think technical or something like it would be better. We already have a technical category...--[[User:Beto|Beto]] 08:14, 4 September 2006 (CDT)
:: I concur. The currently existing "DSP" category (i.e. [[:Category:DSP]]) is reserved for fubie's DSP plugins.--[[User:Pepoluan|pepoluan]] 08:21, 4 September 2006 (CDT)
==Warning Page==
I've just added a warning to [[Talk:Main Page]] and moved the real page here.
This was a problem on Wikipedia, so it's probably a good idea to make sure here. Feel free to undo it. ~[[User:Elliottmobile|Elliottmobile]] <small>'''([[User_talk:Elliottmobile|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Elliottmobile|contribs]])'''</small> 06:25, 17 September 2006 (CDT)
:No, it's good. --[[User:Pepoluan|pepoluan]] 09:29, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
== Move Main Page to HydrogenAudio:Main Page? ==
I've removed the title from the page which would remove a redirect notice too, and the main page article isn't really an article, is it? So shouldn't it be in the project namespace, i.e. HydrogenAudio? just a thought. <small>('''[[Special:Contributions/Elliottmobile|sbirtnoc]] | [[User talk:Elliottmobile|klat]]''')</small> [[User:Elliottmobile|elibomttoillE]] 02:50, 19 September 2006 (CDT)

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Formatting discussions

Alright, I've incorporated the Clickpic template which I've taken from here. This is so that a wiki visitor, accidentally clicking on an image, will not be brought to the image's metadata page, but somewhere more meaningful.

But... the inventor of this template warns here that IE and Opera may add extra whitespace. This should not be a problem as we are not tiling the images, but if it is a problem, then it is tough because the monobook.css of HAK is protected.

Please those who use IE or Opera check it out. --pepoluan 21:52, 6 September 2006 (CDT)

This is inaccessable to text-only users and other related problems. A better way is to redirect the image description pages to the right page, which I'm going to do now, again, feel free to revert me. ~Elliottmobile (talk | contribs) 06:31, 17 September 2006 (CDT)
See Image_talk:CategoryIcon Foobar2000.png - it's a weird problem I've been getting and I can't seem to fix it. It's on 99% of the images. ~Elliottmobile (talk | contribs) 06:38, 17 September 2006 (CDT)
OH! I just had to clear my cache. :) ~Elliottmobile (talk | contribs) 06:46, 17 September 2006 (CDT)


So, why you use {{clickpic}} again, Elliott? --pepoluan (talk | contribs) 13:39, 27 September 2006 (CDT)
The wiki logo is less important as a clicking tool and is just an added extra, unlike the images for navigation which is a common mistake. The wiki logo may not link properly in some situations, that's less important, IMO. Elliottmobilehttp://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/images/c/c1/Fishysig.PNG 02:15, 28 September 2006 (CDT)


Nice Main Page now, something we can all be proud of... but what's with the TOC, it's now shoved to the right... I vote for putting __NOTOC__ in the Main Page. --pepoluan 09:32, 18 September 2006 (CDT)

I actually did that intentionally, but I suppose it's alright if you remove it :P.

Another whine: I like the yellowish color better... the page seems to cold when the category table is in that pale blue color... --pepoluan 13:59, 18 September 2006 (CDT)

Maybe a warmer blue? The yellow seemed too... "rotten" for me.

I would be a little more radical. I would move everything below introduction and user guides to the Topic Index page. To me this information is just polluting the page. As for the color I have no preference.--Beto (talk | contribs) 16:34, 18 September 2006 (CDT)

Good idea... (sbirtnoc | klat) elibomttoillE 16:36, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
I just cleaned the front page and moved all topics below the categories table to the Topic Index. To me it looks cleaner and better.--Beto (talk | contribs) 10:14, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
I'm not sure, when a user goes to the main page they want to be able to easily get to what they want... but I suppose. (sbirtnoc | klat) elibomttoillE 10:26, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
I'll think about something. I am thinking about putting a table with links to the most popular articles in the wiki. Probably it will be something manual at first, but we can automate this in the future.--Beto (talk | contribs) 16:13, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
hmm, i can do {{special:allpages/6}} for some perfectly formatted pages, but not for special:popularpages. :( (sbirtnoc | klat) elibomttoillE 17:07, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
If we can't automate most popular articles, better not put it there at all, IMO. --pepoluan (talk | contribs) 11:58, 20 September 2006 (CDT)

Categories discussion for the front page

I suggest the following master categories for the front page. Subcategories can be discussed here:

Foobar2000 Foobar2000 Guides and Tutorials
Foobar2000 Plugins
Foobar2000 Tips and Tricks
Technical Codecs
Listening Tests
Digital Signal Processing
Research
Software Audio Players
Technical and Research
Hardware Soundcards
Amplifier and Speakers
DAC
Guides Vinyl Guides
EAC Guides

--Beto 15:19, 4 September 2006 (CDT)


Hmmm, problem is, Codecs for instance may not have subcategories. And the left column, should it link to the Category description page (e.g. Category:Codec) or just a heading text? --pepoluan 15:40, 4 September 2006 (CDT)
This table is just to discuss the possible categories and subcategories and should not be on the front page. The table you created in the front page is much better than this one. I wasn't thinking about linking it to any page, but this may be a good idea.--Beto 15:58, 4 September 2006 (CDT)
What if we merge Codecs into Technical?? They sure are related.--Beto 10:29, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
Merged Codecs into Technical--Beto 13:20, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
The 5 main categories are now in the front page. Subcategorization in the main categories pages still has to be done for the most part.--Beto 14:15, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

Page Discussion

I discovered our wiki's categories facility. What about simplifying this main page to point to the Categories page instead?

--pepoluan 17:44, 1 September 2006 (CDT)


This is a brilliant idea actually ;-D. I think instead of call them tools just generally stick with software --HotshotGG 5:34, 2 September 2006 (CDT)


Excellent layout. I would get rid of the sections as well and leave only the table linking to the categories. Much cleaner and readable.--Beto 18:22, 3 September 2006 (CDT)


Before we continue, I think "DSP" is not precise... some of the articles are not limited to digital signals. I suggest using "Signal Processing" instead... but anyways, what's wrong with "Technical Stuff"? --pepoluan 07:54, 4 September 2006 (CDT)


I think technical or something like it would be better. We already have a technical category...--Beto 08:14, 4 September 2006 (CDT)


I concur. The currently existing "DSP" category (i.e. Category:DSP) is reserved for fubie's DSP plugins.--pepoluan 08:21, 4 September 2006 (CDT)



Warning Page

I've just added a warning to Talk:Main Page and moved the real page here.

This was a problem on Wikipedia, so it's probably a good idea to make sure here. Feel free to undo it. ~Elliottmobile (talk | contribs) 06:25, 17 September 2006 (CDT)


No, it's good. --pepoluan 09:29, 18 September 2006 (CDT)

Move Main Page to HydrogenAudio:Main Page?

I've removed the title from the page which would remove a redirect notice too, and the main page article isn't really an article, is it? So shouldn't it be in the project namespace, i.e. HydrogenAudio? just a thought. (sbirtnoc | klat) elibomttoillE 02:50, 19 September 2006 (CDT)